Tuesday, January 5, 2016

1. Out of the listed scientists I chose Thomas Malthus. When researching him I found a piece of Charles Darwin's autobiography, in which Darwin stated that his idea of natural selection came into being from his readings of Malthus's "Essay's on the Principles of Population." Considering that reaing Malthus's work lead to the creation of his theory, I would venture to say it was a positive influence.
Link: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/malthus.html Title: Thomas Malthus Author: Unknown
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2. Thomas Malthus, believed that struggles for life ended and began with over population. He began his research around a time where his country, England, was in poverty and many lower class produced more bodies than they could properly take care of. He believed this was the reason for God and that God would prevent man from being lazy. Darwin did not agree as to the reason and also later introduced more reasons to what is now called natural selection. In rough terms Malthus opened the door for new discoveries made by Darwin and Wallace.
3. The point Malthus touched on most was "Who gets better access to limited resources," although he focused only on humans, this was his point it seems in my opinion. He believed the rich had more resources, but the poor were reproducing more than they could deal with and this threw the whole country into poverty, he believed this to be god's work. He agreed that these led to some sort of selection, but he believed it to be spiritually based. As for what Darwin took from this and if it was positive or negative that is a matter of opinion, I can see how it might go both ways, but I think it was far more positive than negative. Yes, Malthus was incorrect in who he believed was the cause, we have grown scientifically and now know the cause as not a who, but a what. Darwin did build from what he read of Malthus's work and that I believe over runs the disagreement as to cause, because if we truly wanted to argue it, it is a matter of opinion. Some refuse to believe that it could be anything but god and some see it for what it truly is.
4. I believe that perhaps eventually Darwin could have come to the same theory without reading Malthus's work, but it would have been rather delayed. Especially considering how nervous he was to fight against all his country had known and followed until the moment he shared his discoveries. Seeing someone else starting to make similar conclusions to his own helped push him to say what he thought and knew. Perhaps if not for Malthus, Darwin may not have published his theory, but he most certainly would have still come to that conclusion eventually.
5. The Church made Darwin very nervous to publish his book, he feared what damage he might cause by publishing his theory, which went against all that was believed at that time. He was very brace to publish his theory and I believe he felt relieved when he finally did. In the end his fears were for nothing because they let his final resting place be in a church. I don't imagine if they had been angry with him for his beliefs, that this would have been allowed.

6 comments:

  1. I agree that Malthus had more of a positive influence on Darwin than negative, but that Darwin took Malthus' works and projected it differently within his own. I agree with you again that Darwin's own way of projecting Malthus' influence, was through their believed causes-- Malthus found the cause to be God, and Darwin felt quite differently. I chose Malthus as well! And also stated that Darwin would've most likely come up with his theory of natural selection without Malthus.

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  2. I also went with Thomas Malthus being the most to influence Darwins theories.
    I also pointed out that Darwin would have came up with the natural selection theory either way but Malthus's work inspired him much rather more to better his theory.

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  3. Hi Zoey! I also went with Thomas Malthus as my choice. I thought he had the most direct influence on Darwin because Darwin ended up conducting more research after he read Thomas Malthus's work. Malthus pointed Darwin in the right direction. Also, I agree with you about Darwin feeling relieved when he finally published his work. Good job!

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  4. I agree that Thomas Malthus had the most influence over Darwin's development of his theory of Natural Selection. I like that you pointed out that the idea of natural selection came to Darwin from Malthus's readings.

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  5. I agree that Thomas Malthus did have a big influence over Darwin's Natural Selection theory. I also like the point you made about how Darwin's fear over the church was really exaggerated.

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  6. Good sourcing.

    While you highlight information regarding the basic background of Malthus' work, you don't raise the issues that pertain directly to Darwin's work, making it difficult to draw connections between the two. For example, Malthus was concerned with overpopulation and his work focused on the overpopulation he could see occur in human populations. Darwin was interested in natural populations that did not seem to have this tendency to overpopulate. So how do we connect Malthus' ideas with Darwin's when they are working with two different biological groups? Well, we need to back up a step to Malthus' foundational material:

    Malthus noted that populations have the potential to grow exponentially while resources only grow arithmetically. From there, Malthus started by looking at how natural populations reproduced and noticed that they don't seem to have a problem with overpopulation, as if there was a natural force that limited the population size. Human populations, on the other hand, seemed to be missing this natural force and shot past their resource limits, creating the problems Malthus spoke of, such as famine and disease that reduced population numbers the hard way. But it was Malthus' observation of natural populations, and specifically the concept of the "natural limiting force" that intrigued Darwin. He wondered what this force was. Turns out it was the natural competition for limited resources, producing differential survival and reproductive success, i.e., natural selection. There's the positive connection we were looking for.

    "The point Malthus touched on most was "Who gets better access to limited resources,""

    Actually, Malthus couldn't care less about this. :-) He noted that populations could reproduce exponentially and that resources were limited (two valid bullet points attributable to Malthus), but beyond the fact that human populations DID come closer than natural populations to actual exponential growth and overshot their resources, he didn't inquire further, (though he noted that the wealthy seemed to be less impacted from overpopulation than the poor, though the poor produced more offspring). For him, this was enough of a problem and he felt it should be corrected. It was Darwin who asked this question about the connection between access to resources and reproduction, not Malthus.

    Yes, Darwin would have been delayed without Malthus work, or he may not have come to this connection on his own at all. Malthus' work was that key to his theory and Darwin even seems to recognize this in his own writings:

    "In October 1838, that is, fifteen months after I had begun my systematic inquiry, I happened to read for amusement Malthus on Population, and being well prepared to appreciate the struggle for existence which everywhere goes on from long- continued observation of the habits of animals and plants, it at once struck me that under these circumstances favourable variations would tend to be preserved, and unfavourable ones to be destroyed. The results of this would be the formation of a new species. Here, then I had at last got a theory by which to work".

    Charles Darwin, from his autobiography. (1876)

    http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/malthus.html

    Good discussion on the final section, particularly noting that he was indeed buried with honors in Westminster Abbey, not an honor you would expect from a scientist who's work was so contradictory to the teachings of the church. But can you expand upon the specific fears Darwin felt that caused him to delay more than 20 years? That is a significant amount of time to wait in the scientific world and it is perhaps amazing that someone didn't beat him to the idea (as Wallace almost did). What were his concerns? How might he have been negatively affected by publishing (personally and professionally) and how did the influence of the church play a role in this?

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